Buying Gold cheating? - Page 2 - Guild Wars Forums

sh4ft3d · May 19, 2006, 02:30 PM // 14:30

My opinions is that its more of a "Gamer's Code". You don't use aimbots, you don't buy gold, etc. Your reputation as a true gamer vanishes the second you purchase wealth/skill online.

axe · May 19, 2006, 02:32 PM // 14:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by AxeMe

Games are more fun when they are difficult, when they provide a challenge. I get puzzled over why people want the shortcuts - why play the game at all if you don't enjoy the challenge?

While I agree, I think Herbalizer said it best, people know they can farm up the money themselves, it just takes time, and playing the game > farming so they justify "rushing" their gold stack by saying, well I could get it myself, I just dont have alot of time to do it.

I imagine there are many ways to justify buying the gold, and ANet must be torn on what to do because by bannign people they are hurting themselves in a lot of ways. They dont want to remove people from the GW world, but they must remove abusers and people who WILL ruin this game by inflating prices. ANet has said they take the economy of the game very seriously.

Retribution X · May 19, 2006, 02:33 PM // 14:33

Well Fiery, according to that rule, Using the restroom is illegal.

Well, I guees I'd better break the law, then...

And GwG would be illegal...

Hell. Reporting scammers would be illegal too. that would suck.

Silent Kitty · May 19, 2006, 02:35 PM // 14:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by AxeMe

Games are more fun when they are difficult, when they provide a challenge. I get puzzled over why people want the shortcuts - why play the game at all if you don't enjoy the challenge?

Because people will call you noob, when the game is difficult for you.
They don't call you noob when you are filthy rich

Gonzo · May 19, 2006, 02:36 PM // 14:36

Getting really, really drunk however, is not illegal. Neither is random killing.

AxeMe · May 19, 2006, 03:17 PM // 15:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Silent Kitty

Because people will call you noob, when the game is difficult for you.
They don't call you noob when you are filthy rich

Truth is, that - if you play long enough - people will call you a noob. Many of those name callers would have to improve their skills greatly to reach the level of a noob, smile.

(I guess what you're saying is the same as this in real life: If you're poor and odd, you're crazy. If you're rich and odd, you're eccentric).

Shadow Dragon · May 19, 2006, 04:59 PM // 16:59

Now accepting all unwanted ecto and shards. lol

i see it this way buying gold is illegal, it sucks and makes me extremely pissed
that some fidiot can just swipe a card and have an instant fortune in game. i try to farm but it does not work so well anymore as most runs have been nerfed or tards invite you saying farm then go chest running in some obscure region of the game, let you die, wait for the reserve time to go away then steal your item.

Rathcail · May 19, 2006, 05:19 PM // 17:19

I'm not really sure why someone would even buy Guild Wars gold. It's not like you need that much of it to get the best gear and such, statwise that is. Sure the collector's long sword might look like hideous piece of crap, but it gets the work done if you have the skills.
Suppose it's just the looks then, wanting to have something to show to poor newbies. Showing off to compensate the lack of skill perhaps?

makosi · May 19, 2006, 05:20 PM // 17:20

When people buy gold, they are surging the economy with gold which means demand increases and inflation occurs so for your average joe (moi) it becomes increasingly difficult to buy exclusive items. That is partly why we see (saw) items sell for hundreds of ectos. It is very easy for Arenanet/NCSoft to identify where these transactions take place because they can track large fund transfers which are moreso suspicious if it is a one-way trade. Also, they can use a mole to buy gold and track who is selling it in-game and cancel the accounts.

'Cheating' is a funny word to use for it and because gold doesn't give you an advantage over others - technically speaking that is.

From an ethical point of view it can be seen either way:
1) It encourages the exploitation of chinese kids who farm the gold or
2) It generates employment for some chinese kids.

I'd recommend against it because once you buy a cool weapon or Fissure armour, its a novelty for 5 minutes then it wears off. You realize that the fun part is the farming and the build up towards earning it.

mtm · May 19, 2006, 05:37 PM // 17:37

Some notes:

1. Buying/selling in game items for real money violates the EULA.
2. You can perfectly well have optimal gear for your character simply by plain the game. Unlike many other similar games, GW allows access to the best equipment to anyone who simply plays the game. Moreover, you can get optimal equipment playing the game as you prefer: You can only do pvp and unlock all mods/skills you want by playing pvp only, you can play PvE only, you can trade only, farm only etc. The game is very flexible and I am very pleased with that.
So, in terms of enjoying game play and being competitive, you don't have any need of buying gold. If you pvp, you can unlock everything by simply playing. If you like pve, you can get collectors/crafters items or common greens for very low prices.
There's a reason that FoW or 15k armors have the exact same stats as 1.5k ones: The game is designed to allow people to be competitive without farming for ages, hoping to be super lucky with drops, or start thinking about buying items /gold for real money.
That being said, there are of course people who:
Buy accounts with pvp ranking
Buy gold to make FoW amor/buy super rares etc

Especially in a game like GW, I find it stupid to start with. It's useless and it actually removes game pleasure.

Hoyt · May 19, 2006, 05:42 PM // 17:42

There is no argument here.
Exchanging any in-game item for real world money is against the rules, therefore it is cheating.
There is no grey area. Both parties are guilty of cheating.
Those of you that do it can hem and haw all you want and come up with excuses and reasons for doing it. The fact remains the same...it is cheating.

Quote:

Originally Posted by makosi

I'd recommend against it because once you buy a cool weapon or Fissure armour, its a novelty for 5 minutes then it wears off. You realize that the fun part is the farming and the build up towards earning it.

and what Makosi said

Nivryx · May 19, 2006, 05:57 PM // 17:57

it only wastes your money. what you buy with it will lose its meaning to you eventually. without a reason to earn your own items you'll grow bored of the game sooner. You will end up having burnt out your satisfaction for guildwars (or any other game you buy gold for) sooner than if you had just played it normally, and then you'll have to go out and find a new game that will interest you.

Spydergst1 · May 19, 2006, 05:59 PM // 17:59

I think it can be considered cheating by some people who have the time to sit at the computer for hours to farm and make money necessary for the things they want to buy in game. But if you don't have the time (perhaps you are a professional in real life and can't afford to commit the time necessary to play long hours for your in-game money) I don't consider it cheating.

If I decided I wanted to buy in-game money with real money who is a.net to say I can't. I bought their game and they made thier money off me. Even if I bought in-game money I would still play for months as there is so much to do and experience in the game.

If I bought in game money and got my account disabled I would start a law suit. I didn't buy the game and played for months to have my account disabled. Thats makes all the time I invested in playing and the money I spent for the game a waste. I think a.net should consider other options like selling in-game money themselves or busting you back to a level 5 if you get caught.

I don't support buying in-game money but if I wanted to I should be subject to having my membership canceled. The only reason a.net can cancel is because there is no monthly fee for playing.

I don't think its cheating. I thinks its taking a short cut and cheating yourself out of the experience of playing much like paying a runner in-game. You don't cheat others you cheat yourself. Don't cheat yourself unless you completed the game and experienced everything the game has to offer with at least one character.

Azmodan · May 19, 2006, 06:06 PM // 18:06

Again, I don't believe that you should buy gold off EBAY or from anywhere else. But all the people saying that it is illegal to buy it or that your account will be banned, read the the bold type at the end.

7. OFFICIAL SERVICE

Guild Wars is designed for official play only as offered through the Service by NC Interactive at the Web Site and not through any other means. You further agree not to access, create or provide any other means through which Guild Wars may be played by others, as through server emulators. You agree not to use any hardware or software, including but not limited to third party tools, or any other method of support which may in any way influence or advantage your use of the Service which is not authorized by NC Interactive, including but not limited to the use of ‘bots' and/or any other method by which the Service may be played automatically without human input. You acknowledge that you do not have the right to create, publish, distribute, create derivative works from or use any software programs, utilities, applications, emulators or tools derived from or created for Guild Wars, except that you may use the Software to the extent expressly permitted by this Agreement. You may not take any action which imposes an unreasonable or disproportionately large load on our infrastructure. You may not sell or auction any Guild Wars accounts, characters, items, coin or copyrighted material, nor may you assist others in doing so.

This is a direct quote from the EULA. It says nothing about buying, although they should add it. And if that is what they meant by "nor may you assist others in doing so.", then why wouldn't they just say "buy"?

The Herbalizer · May 19, 2006, 06:18 PM // 18:18

that would explain how all those people who have spent thousands of dollars have got away with it. ive never actually heard of someone being banned for buying only selling. that always did puzzle me but now it seems my question has been answered

Spydergst1 · May 19, 2006, 06:24 PM // 18:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by sh4ft3d

My opinions is that its more of a "Gamer's Code". You don't use aimbots, you don't buy gold, etc. Your reputation as a true gamer vanishes the second you purchase wealth/skill online.

I agree. Well said.

Azmodan · May 19, 2006, 06:27 PM // 18:27

Just like the legal stuff before a movie. I've only seen it say "You can not reproduce or distribute" the movie. It never says that you can't possess an illegal copy.

ElinoraNeSangre · May 19, 2006, 06:44 PM // 18:44

The reason why it's considered cheating is that it gives people with money in RL an edge that others who perhaps don't have the money do have. The key difference here is that it brings in an outside influence. It's that outside influence that throws the in-game economy out of wack (although we can debate to what degree).

Not everyone has time to get tons of gold. The system as it stands means that people who have less time to earn money have less money than those who have more time (with the notable exception of the market savy people who have figured out how to use the system to their advantage to get the best bang for their buck). In a way, people with lives outside of GW aren't able to get the same things as someone who has more time. Those with more time have the advantage over those that don't, and those that buy ebay gold have an advantage over those that don't. I really can't say one is more *fair* than the other, EULA aside (and please read the next paragraph before going off on me).

*However* it doesn't take much gold to be on level ground with people who do have more gold - you can get great armor for fairly cheap overall, I'd be very hard pressed to believe someone couldn't afford 1.5k armor if they tried, even with little time to play. I didn't even TRY to get money, and my 1.5k has always been easy to get. I've gotten all my weapons from drops, chests, or friends.

15k armor for example is a different story, but you don't NEED 15k to level the playing field - it's only cosmetic. It's there so you can say, "I earned my 15k armor and now I look cool." But it doesn't give an ADVANTAGE - 1.5k armor will give you the *exact same benefits*. 15k is one reward for the people who really DO work hard for it, because frankly, if everyone could afford it easily, it wouldn't have the same meaning. There wouldn't be pride in it.

To get what you *need* to get through the game, you can get it just from playing, so there's really no need to buy gold from outside sources.

As for people with 10 million gold or something, either way, bought or earned, people like that need to get outside and get some sun or something. :P That's overkill. And at the end of the day, what does it mean? Ohhh I have 10 million gold on a video game, now my life is complete. :: eyeroll ::

derrtyboy69 · May 19, 2006, 06:51 PM // 18:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yanman.be

Fiery, so you think voice-communication is cheating in PvP ?

BAM

Call it cheating if youd like, the benefit is incredibly small. The very few people who get an advantage over looking cool are probably spending all of their time pvping, so they spend real money to get fake money.

Sir Skullcrasher · May 19, 2006, 07:40 PM // 19:40

Internet Fee (Cable): $49.99 a month
One copy of Guild Wars: Factions: $49.99
300k on ebay: $21.99
Getting banned by A-Net for spending real money on useless crap: Priceless

Like everyone said, getting golds take a while for some (like me i don't played that much per week) But for those who wanted this advantage they would go to ebay and buy these golds for different real money. For $20 or $30 dollars, you can get around 300k or more and use it to get all the items (15k armors, runes, dyes..etc) within the game.

May 19, 2006, 05:59 PM // 17:59	#33
Spydergst1 Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Chicago Profession: W/R	I just want to play I think it can be considered cheating by some people who have the time to sit at the computer for hours to farm and make money necessary for the things they want to buy in game. But if you don't have the time (perhaps you are a professional in real life and can't afford to commit the time necessary to play long hours for your in-game money) I don't consider it cheating. If I decided I wanted to buy in-game money with real money who is a.net to say I can't. I bought their game and they made thier money off me. Even if I bought in-game money I would still play for months as there is so much to do and experience in the game. If I bought in game money and got my account disabled I would start a law suit. I didn't buy the game and played for months to have my account disabled. Thats makes all the time I invested in playing and the money I spent for the game a waste. I think a.net should consider other options like selling in-game money themselves or busting you back to a level 5 if you get caught. I don't support buying in-game money but if I wanted to I should be subject to having my membership canceled. The only reason a.net can cancel is because there is no monthly fee for playing. I don't think its cheating. I thinks its taking a short cut and cheating yourself out of the experience of playing much like paying a runner in-game. You don't cheat others you cheat yourself. Don't cheat yourself unless you completed the game and experienced everything the game has to offer with at least one character.

May 19, 2006, 02:30 PM // 14:30	#21
sh4ft3d Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: A long time ago, in a galaxy far far away... Guild: Frank Ought To Monk [FotM] Profession: W/	My opinions is that its more of a "Gamer's Code". You don't use aimbots, you don't buy gold, etc. Your reputation as a true gamer vanishes the second you purchase wealth/skill online.

May 19, 2006, 02:33 PM // 14:33	#23
Retribution X Desert Nomad Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Check behind you again. Profession: N/	Well Fiery, according to that rule, Using the restroom is illegal. Well, I guees I'd better break the law, then... And GwG would be illegal... Hell. Reporting scammers would be illegal too. that would suck.

May 19, 2006, 02:36 PM // 14:36	#25
Gonzo Jungle Guide Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Netherlands Guild: Defenders of the Blackblade [DotB] Profession: W/	Getting really, really drunk however, is not illegal. Neither is random killing.

May 19, 2006, 04:59 PM // 16:59	#27
Shadow Dragon Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: May 2006 Location: Harrismith, South Africa Guild: [SAGA] Profession: W/Mo	Now accepting all unwanted ecto and shards. lol i see it this way buying gold is illegal, it sucks and makes me extremely pissed that some fidiot can just swipe a card and have an instant fortune in game. i try to farm but it does not work so well anymore as most runs have been nerfed or tards invite you saying farm then go chest running in some obscure region of the game, let you die, wait for the reserve time to go away then steal your item.

May 19, 2006, 05:19 PM // 17:19	#28
Rathcail Jungle Guide Join Date: Jan 2006	I'm not really sure why someone would even buy Guild Wars gold. It's not like you need that much of it to get the best gear and such, statwise that is. Sure the collector's long sword might look like hideous piece of crap, but it gets the work done if you have the skills. Suppose it's just the looks then, wanting to have something to show to poor newbies. Showing off to compensate the lack of skill perhaps?

May 19, 2006, 05:20 PM // 17:20	#29
makosi Grotto Attendant Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: "Pre-nerf" is incorrect. It's pre-buff. Guild: Requirement Begins With R [notQ] Profession: Me/	When people buy gold, they are surging the economy with gold which means demand increases and inflation occurs so for your average joe (moi) it becomes increasingly difficult to buy exclusive items. That is partly why we see (saw) items sell for hundreds of ectos. It is very easy for Arenanet/NCSoft to identify where these transactions take place because they can track large fund transfers which are moreso suspicious if it is a one-way trade. Also, they can use a mole to buy gold and track who is selling it in-game and cancel the accounts. 'Cheating' is a funny word to use for it and because gold doesn't give you an advantage over others - technically speaking that is. From an ethical point of view it can be seen either way: 1) It encourages the exploitation of chinese kids who farm the gold or 2) It generates employment for some chinese kids. I'd recommend against it because once you buy a cool weapon or Fissure armour, its a novelty for 5 minutes then it wears off. You realize that the fun part is the farming and the build up towards earning it.

May 19, 2006, 05:37 PM // 17:37	#30
mtm Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Portugal & Greece Profession: W/	Some notes: 1. Buying/selling in game items for real money violates the EULA. 2. You can perfectly well have optimal gear for your character simply by plain the game. Unlike many other similar games, GW allows access to the best equipment to anyone who simply plays the game. Moreover, you can get optimal equipment playing the game as you prefer: You can only do pvp and unlock all mods/skills you want by playing pvp only, you can play PvE only, you can trade only, farm only etc. The game is very flexible and I am very pleased with that. So, in terms of enjoying game play and being competitive, you don't have any need of buying gold. If you pvp, you can unlock everything by simply playing. If you like pve, you can get collectors/crafters items or common greens for very low prices. There's a reason that FoW or 15k armors have the exact same stats as 1.5k ones: The game is designed to allow people to be competitive without farming for ages, hoping to be super lucky with drops, or start thinking about buying items /gold for real money. That being said, there are of course people who: Buy accounts with pvp ranking Buy gold to make FoW amor/buy super rares etc Especially in a game like GW, I find it stupid to start with. It's useless and it actually removes game pleasure.

May 19, 2006, 05:57 PM // 17:57	#32
Nivryx Krytan Explorer Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Kenya Profession: Mo/	it only wastes your money. what you buy with it will lose its meaning to you eventually. without a reason to earn your own items you'll grow bored of the game sooner. You will end up having burnt out your satisfaction for guildwars (or any other game you buy gold for) sooner than if you had just played it normally, and then you'll have to go out and find a new game that will interest you.

May 19, 2006, 06:06 PM // 18:06	#34
Azmodan Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: May 2005 Profession: Mo/Me	Again, I don't believe that you should buy gold off EBAY or from anywhere else. But all the people saying that it is illegal to buy it or that your account will be banned, read the the bold type at the end. 7. OFFICIAL SERVICE Guild Wars is designed for official play only as offered through the Service by NC Interactive at the Web Site and not through any other means. You further agree not to access, create or provide any other means through which Guild Wars may be played by others, as through server emulators. You agree not to use any hardware or software, including but not limited to third party tools, or any other method of support which may in any way influence or advantage your use of the Service which is not authorized by NC Interactive, including but not limited to the use of ‘bots' and/or any other method by which the Service may be played automatically without human input. You acknowledge that you do not have the right to create, publish, distribute, create derivative works from or use any software programs, utilities, applications, emulators or tools derived from or created for Guild Wars, except that you may use the Software to the extent expressly permitted by this Agreement. You may not take any action which imposes an unreasonable or disproportionately large load on our infrastructure. You may not sell or auction any Guild Wars accounts, characters, items, coin or copyrighted material, nor may you assist others in doing so. This is a direct quote from the EULA. It says nothing about buying, although they should add it. And if that is what they meant by "nor may you assist others in doing so.", then why wouldn't they just say "buy"?

May 19, 2006, 06:18 PM // 18:18	#35
The Herbalizer <3 Ecto Join Date: Jul 2005	that would explain how all those people who have spent thousands of dollars have got away with it. ive never actually heard of someone being banned for buying only selling. that always did puzzle me but now it seems my question has been answered

May 19, 2006, 06:27 PM // 18:27	#37
Azmodan Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: May 2005 Profession: Mo/Me	Just like the legal stuff before a movie. I've only seen it say "You can not reproduce or distribute" the movie. It never says that you can't possess an illegal copy.

May 19, 2006, 06:44 PM // 18:44	#38
ElinoraNeSangre Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Near Seattle, WA Guild: Talionis De Cineris [EXUR] Profession: N/Me	The reason why it's considered cheating is that it gives people with money in RL an edge that others who perhaps don't have the money do have. The key difference here is that it brings in an outside influence. It's that outside influence that throws the in-game economy out of wack (although we can debate to what degree). Not everyone has time to get tons of gold. The system as it stands means that people who have less time to earn money have less money than those who have more time (with the notable exception of the market savy people who have figured out how to use the system to their advantage to get the best bang for their buck). In a way, people with lives outside of GW aren't able to get the same things as someone who has more time. Those with more time have the advantage over those that don't, and those that buy ebay gold have an advantage over those that don't. I really can't say one is more fair than the other, EULA aside (and please read the next paragraph before going off on me). However it doesn't take much gold to be on level ground with people who do have more gold - you can get great armor for fairly cheap overall, I'd be very hard pressed to believe someone couldn't afford 1.5k armor if they tried, even with little time to play. I didn't even TRY to get money, and my 1.5k has always been easy to get. I've gotten all my weapons from drops, chests, or friends. 15k armor for example is a different story, but you don't NEED 15k to level the playing field - it's only cosmetic. It's there so you can say, "I earned my 15k armor and now I look cool." But it doesn't give an ADVANTAGE - 1.5k armor will give you the exact same benefits. 15k is one reward for the people who really DO work hard for it, because frankly, if everyone could afford it easily, it wouldn't have the same meaning. There wouldn't be pride in it. To get what you need to get through the game, you can get it just from playing, so there's really no need to buy gold from outside sources. As for people with 10 million gold or something, either way, bought or earned, people like that need to get outside and get some sun or something. :P That's overkill. And at the end of the day, what does it mean? Ohhh I have 10 million gold on a video game, now my life is complete. :: eyeroll ::

May 19, 2006, 07:40 PM // 19:40	#40
Sir Skullcrasher Furnace Stoker Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: California Guild: 15 over 50 [Rare] Profession: W/Mo	Internet Fee (Cable): $49.99 a month One copy of Guild Wars: Factions: $49.99 300k on ebay: $21.99 Getting banned by A-Net for spending real money on useless crap: Priceless Like everyone said, getting golds take a while for some (like me i don't played that much per week) But for those who wanted this advantage they would go to ebay and buy these golds for different real money. For $20 or $30 dollars, you can get around 300k or more and use it to get all the items (15k armors, runes, dyes..etc) within the game.